The Great HippoToday at 2:11 AM
@bruh i've heard it compared to the notion of the whole memetic agent; IE something that, if you can perceive, you're already dead — a name for the elephant's foot (the chunk of ultra-radioactive material at chernobyl) was apparently "the Medusa" for example
bruhToday at 2:14 AM
@The Great Hippo Was trying to figure out a conceptual connection between this idea I was discussing with ARD where its like the God of America, but it just emits subversive, patriotic narratives, and envisions a false eigenweapon to prompt the Pentagram (and allies) to go to war against ORIA to make it a client-state / GOI.
And merge that with the properties of the Demon Core and the insidious nature of radiation or as you put it, the notion of a memetic agent, without saying its a memetic agent.
The Great HippoToday at 2:15 AM
a memetic waste dump
like if you have all these memetic agents/people affected by memetic agents/cognitohazards and you can't destroy them for whatever reason so you create this place to just, dump them
and they all start combining to form the memetic equivalent of radiation; like, just the worst sort of destructive information imaginable
nyaalyToday at 2:18 AM
The risk of that is that you get a "AI In a box" scenario where any information about the box they're in can be used and changed
the memetics inside manipulate even stuff like the temperature of the computer in a certain way that triggers an AI looking for an anomaly, and boom, it's observed, it escapes
The Great HippoToday at 2:19 AM
i imagined it more like, well, hm maybe '1730 except with memes' is basically it now that i think about it — like the idea that yeah information can't be destroyed and this particular waste dump is filled with memetic agents that 'replicate' and spread
also i wouldn't go a patriotic or american angle with it i don't think
this might just be my thing but for some reason the whole demon core/radiation angle connected to a national identity doesn't evoke anything; like to me the threat of radiation is so cosmic it transcends nationalism, haha
nyaalyToday at 2:19 AM
yeah. radiation is almost a primal fear, even though we have no reason to believe it was ever enough of a threat to evolve a response to it
nyaalyToday at 2:21 AM
radiation evokes ideas like the Pecos River Waste Plant, where messages have to be as pan-cultural as possible so it isn't a threat in ten thousand years
like what stormbreath did in
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nyaalyToday at 2:22 AM
radiation lasts longer than any empire, any language, and sometimes doesn't get less dangerous over these timescales either
the demon core evokes much more the idea of tampering with something bigger than ourselves, than our country. "am become death" and shit.
bruhToday at 2:23 AM
Hmm that's true.
nyaalyToday at 2:23 AM
I think that to draw thematic connections to radiation, you want to lean on the angle of "we can't get rid of this, and our descendants will have to deal with it. and it will be worse by then"
The Great HippoToday at 2:24 AM
i guess i can see how that could connect to nationalism like, idk i think of the coldest war (the short story, not the scp canon) and how that connects eldritch horrors to nationalism, by showing how those eldritch horrors have no concern for patriotism
nyaalyToday at 2:25 AM
to be fair, the scp canon is almost a continuation of the short story with different anomalies
same themes
nyaalyToday at 2:25 AM
but yeah. about how nations are impermanent and transient in the face of something like uranium, which will keep heating up for millenia
mermToday at 2:26 AM
i hate scp its stupid
